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    Posted On: 25-Jun-2005
    From: "Sharon Provost" [sharonprovost.....net]
    Subject: [roatan] RE: HGTV


    I am especially interested in your HGTV project. I live in the twin cities
    and back in 1982 Jason Davis of KSTP channel 5 (st Paul) traveled with us to
    Roatan and did a 4 part series on Minnesotans on the island. I have lent out
    my one copy to a friend for transferring to a DVD - if you would like a copy
    I will send it to you when I get it back.

    Sharon

    -----Original Message-----
    From: roatan.....com [mailto:roatan.....com] On Behalf Of
    Geoff Arms
    Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:53 AM
    To: roatan.....com
    Subject: Re: [roatan] In depth update Viva Wyndham and Mystic Harbour
    Moe,
    I hope you'll let us all know the date they plan to show the segment on your
    move to Roatan. Thanks, Geoff
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Moe Williams
    To: roatan.....com
    Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:34 AM
    Subject: [roatan] In depth update Viva Wyndham and Mystic Harbour
    First of all. I don't live on Roatan yet but will be
    arriving this fall with future wife, dog, and cat in
    tow.

    We have met many of you on the forum in person and are
    looking forward to meeting others as we adjust to the
    goods and bads of living there. Eyes wide open.

    I took it upon myself to get ahold of who I could
    about the Wyndham project and the following is from a
    brief but detailed discussion with Watermark
    Resorts/PriceMorgan who are doing the preconstruction
    sales. This information is nothing but notes from
    that conversation and I CANNOT CLAIM THAT IT IS EITHER
    FACT OF FICTION it is just what the guy shared with
    me.

    I spoke with one of the principles Watermark /
    PriceMorgan LLC (we won't use his name out of
    respect).

    1) Supposedly the developer is Rick Mortel ( couldn't
    read my own notes very well so could be wrong name ).

    2) He was working on a hotel deal with Wyndham but
    they are NOT building a hotel there. Just for those
    who might not understand, many companies like Marriot,
    Wyndham and others have distanced themselves from
    brick and mortar(B&M) efforts. I am sure the fact
    that it is too capital intensive, other related
    litigation risks, and the fact that management
    contracts are much easier to forecast to all play a
    role in that approach.

    3) They did license the name to him and supposedly
    have signed an agreement to be the management company
    for the project. So the units will enter a network
    and the time can be shared. Since Wyndham signed the
    management company agreement, they also had their
    architect involved during the whole process as they
    needed to make sure it is effecient for them to run
    the operation when completed.

    5) Watermarks / PriceMorgan claim they have invested
    in the development after doing a lot of due diligence
    themselves. The guy said that the former Governor of
    the Bay Islands is part of the project as he owned
    much of the land involved (that might explain why
    people on the forum said the developer does not own
    the land). A smart developer might not try to eat the
    cost of the land and instead cut a joint venture with
    the land owner to provide development of the project
    and than share the profits. In addition, the guy from
    PriceMorgan said he had checked with the Minister of
    Tourism to see if the country was prepared to support
    the project.

    6) He claims they have presold 200 units already of
    the 250 in the first phase. The money for
    preconstruction is being held in escrow in Destin
    florida.

    7) Stewart title and First American are supposedly
    going to handle title insurance when the closing of
    sales and such gets moving. That would be why Stewart
    Tile is giving no assurances. Remember these are 1/8
    share units with multiple units on the land. A title
    company can't possibly provide Title Insurance until
    the units are done, they can do a search on both land
    title and any encumbrances on the structures. Only
    then can they provide Title Insurance.

    8) Remember these are 'pre-contruction' sales which
    are always risky unless you know the developer and can
    see a tract record of success. We all know how that
    goes. Neither good or bad, just a fact. You want
    better returns you take more risk. Sometimes you win
    sometimes yo lose.

    9) He said the footings for the units should start
    coming out of the ground this fall and it will take
    1.5 years for the project to really get launched. i.e
    units built, ameneties in place, etc. Also he said he
    is looking at this as a five year project which is
    realistic. Things take time as you all know very
    well.

    10) He also indicated that they purchased, the
    developer did, 17 acres adjoing the property to do
    some other things.

    Well I hope this makes sense and helps with some of
    the questions.

    Gary

    P.S. HGTV is doing a House Hunters episode that will
    feature Roatan. How do I know this? They are using
    my future wife and I as the folks moving to Roatan.
    They have already filmed at our house in Minnesota for
    the first part of the episode and will be traveling
    with us to Roatan next month ( July ) to finish the
    shooting. Good PR for the Island. So let's be on our
    best behavior :-) Just joking!


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