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    Posted On: 31-Aug-2005
    From: dkevans [dkevans.....edu]
    Subject: [roatan] Re: [The future of life on Roatan Island] Reply 1


    Received the elow comments from Derek Parent and thought it worth
    sending to both list. Derek's point is well taken in that we have had
    extreme hurricanes from ancient times. I guess my point was not that we
    should look at biofuels to save us from hurricanes, but that it took a
    hurricane of Katrina's magnatude to make it clear (at least to me) that
    we need to think about our dependence upon petroleum-based fuels.
    Perhaps I just did not make myself very clear.
    All the best...dke

    On 8/31/2005 8:15 PM, DP wrote:

    >Thanks, David, for your interesting essay! Always a pleasure to read your
    >material. I continue to read every post to this list, but am so busy that I
    >have very little time to contribute.
    >
    >Just a historical note on hurricane cycles:
    >
    >We've seen cycles of Cat 3~4 and the occassional Cat 5 hurricanes going back
    >to 1969 when the Saffir-Simpson system was developed. Even before 1969
    >extremely deadly hurricanes were well recorded, from for example, the 1900
    >Galveston Cat 4 hurricane that killed 13,000 people, and caused one of the
    >largest storm surges ever recorded in the Atlantic (a Gulf-side15-foot
    >surge).
    >
    >Atlantic Gulf hurricane of 1919 was a devastating Cat 4; the Great Miami
    >hurricane of 1926 was an absolutely devastating Cat 5; the 1928 San Filipe
    >hurricane was a Cat 4; etc...etc...
    >
    >Even before 1900, many, many what would be classified as Cat 4 and 5
    >hurricanes had struck the Atlantic region recorded in the 16th, 17th and
    >18th Centuries...
    >
    >The human induced aspects of Global Warming:
    >
    >There is very little doubt among the GCM scientific crowd that chaos in
    >theories reigns. Not one single GCM can separate out human-induced climate
    >changes from natural geo-climatic variations. In fact, just when we think
    >that human driven forcings differentiate themselves out from natural climate
    >phenomena, natural cycles are teased-out of the mix, and graph far overpower
    >so-called human contributions to said...i.e. the sumtotal of human-liberated
    >hydrocarbons as global warming gases correlated decadally do not correlate
    >to increasing frequency of atlantic hurricanes since the time of the
    >industrial revolution...in some cases they run negatively correlated!
    >
    >Perhaps in a Century or so human-liberated hydrocarbons will exceed the
    >Earth's natural cycles of warming/cooling. But I expect that we will simply
    >run out of petroleum in about 70~80 years, and alternative non-internal
    >combusting engines and building/structure climate control systems will rule
    >(hydrogen fuel cells, or some other of the several parallel technologies
    >being developed now).
    >
    >As an end note: There is no doubt that humans are introducing fantastic
    >quantities of exotic toxins into our air and water (commons); no doubt that
    >humans are fishing out every ocean on Earth; no doubt that humans are
    >altering the geographic terrain and irreversibly destroying finite
    >ecosystems like prairies, rain forest, savannas; but at the scale global
    >climate influence, we are still hunting for some evidence that humans are
    >responsible for so-called catestrophic weather events. Now, at the
    >micro-climatic scale there is evidence that indicates that clear-cutting and
    >desertification can change the climate over those areas desertified...but
    >again, at the *local scale*
    >
    >The jurry is out as to why the Earth's reef systems are dying; there is some
    >strong correlation to warming seas (Human-induced warming? No evidence
    >exists in 2005 to prove this correct); other correlations to human
    >oversuse/abuse through cyanide fishing and diving and anchor damage (perhaps
    >a large contributing factor, along with natural cyclical sea warming/cooling
    >events *cyclical warming and cooling at the geological time scale*).
    >
    >David, if you wish to forward this to the list, you have my permission...
    >
    >
    >
    >

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